Tuesday, February 23, 2010

Why Is Fluoride In Our Water? Some Thoughts For You To Consider

Let me remind my readers at the outset that I have NEVER claimed to be anything more than a concerned and interested citizen. I have never, on any of my posts or articles laid claim to any sort of medical, engineering or scientific expertise or qualifications. I'm just a regular family man who has simply had my fill of lies and deceptions, half-truths and condescension's all wrapped up in red, white and blue ribbons. Sheltering the public from grim realities and making decisions behind our backs in the name of our best interest hasn't seemed to have worked very well thus far. I firmly believe that there are many in power who regard humanity merely as an asset or liability without the least bit of concern for the individual, let alone his/her right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Hence, my quest for truth. So now I arrive at the interesting question, why is there fluoride in our water?
I've done a little research on this subject and have, of course, heard the seemingly wild accusations - everything from fluoride being a method of slowly poisoning the population to using it to pacify and control us. For myself, after researching it a bit, I think the answer lies somewhere in between. Just like many other "conspiracy theories", when taken individually or out of context the subject seems little more than an imaginative farce. But, often times, there is a sequential connecting of the dots, so to speak, that is required before a pattern emerges and all of the pieces begin to reveal a big picture. Some will say that such an approach is paranoid. Such may be the case if ones assumptions and conclusions are made without ample study and objectivity, but to anyone simply seeking truth and asking questions it is a natural progression.
"In 1945, Grand Rapids, Michigan, adjusted the fluoride content of its water supply to 1.0 ppm and thus became the first city to implement community water fluoridation. By 1992, more than 60 percent of the U.S. population served by public water systems had access to water fluoridated at approximately 1.0 ppm" - National Cancer Institute. Our water is fluoridated under the pretext that it is a means to prevent tooth decay. Interestingly, however, fluoride is, not only toxic, but potentially lethal - in higher doses, of course. On the back of your toothpaste tube you will find that it says that if more than the amount used for bushing your teeth (or the size of a pea) is swallowed, you should call poison control immediately. This raises a few flags, doesn't it? In my mind, it's similar to recommending that we gargle with ammonia in order to reduce the risk of heart disease - but whatever you do, don't swallow any, because its poison! Seems like there might be a better way to protect our teeth than a life-long ingestion of a known poison.
Please visit fluoridealert.org/health/ for a comprehensive education on the wide variety of the health effects of fluoride.
Now, for the other side of the argument. I will only say this, and leave the conclusions up to you -
"The 'substance' referred to as 'Fluoride' is a misnomer - there is no such substance listed in the periodic chart of the elements, nor in the prestigious CRC handbook, nor in the sacred 'bible' of the pharmaceutical industry - the illustrious 'Merck Index'. Instead, we find a GAS called Fluorine - and from the use of this gas in various industries such as aluminum manufacturing and the nuclear industry -certain toxic byproducts are created which have 'captured' fluorine molecules. One such toxic, poisonous 'byproduct' is called sodium Fluoride - which according to the Merck Index is primarily used as rat and cockroach poison and is also the active ingredient in most toothpastes and as an "additive to drinking water". But sadly, there is much more to this sordid tale.
Did you know that sodium Fluoride is also one of the basic ingredients in both PROZAC (FLUoxetene Hydrochloride) and Sarin Nerve Gas (Isopropyl-Methyl-Phosphoryl FLUORIDE) - (Yes, folks the same Sarin Nerve Gas that terrorists released on a crowded Japanese subway train!). Let me repeat: the truth the American public needs to understand is the fact that Sodium Fluoride is nothing more (or less) than a hazardous waste by-product of the nuclear and aluminum industries. In addition to being the primary ingredient in rat and cockroach poisons, it is also a main ingredient in anesthetic, hypnotic, and psychiatric drugs as well as military NERVE GAS! Why, oh why then is it allowed to be added to the toothpastes and drinking water of the American people?" - A. Ott from the article "The Truth About Fluoride" which can be read in its entirety at:
Did you further know that -
"Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individuals power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. [A convenient and cost-effective light lobotomy? --- Ott]".
And so, as the pieces begin to fit together a consistent pattern emerges. That pattern is one of control, pacification, and power. I have reminded my readers before that Big Brother wants you to leave the thinking to him. He knows what is best for your children. He knows what is best for you. He does not wish to be questioned and buys your silence in so many ways. Were this not so then why not ,instead, utilize an education campaign whereby the public is notified that they should be ingesting fluoride for the good or their teeth, and then the individuals themselves can decide if they want to participate in such a program or not? I'll tell you why - Because Big Brother is doing the thinking for you! If you are left to make your own decisions, you'll likely make the wrong ones. Your fluoride ingestion is good for the party.
Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps there are no power-hungry people in the world. Maybe EVERYONE just wants to get along with EVERYONE, right? You decide for yourself, but as for me...I'll err on the side of caution!
“Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.” - Thomas Jefferson


  1. I find a lot of the material provided in this blog informative.. or at least mentally stimulating in alternate perspective sort of way.

    However, I jumped out and clicked "Disagree" on this because I see the fluoride scare as one of those things that lend the incredulous flair to "Truth Seekers". I only researched the matter slightly, but I discovered that fluorine is one of the most common elements in nature... bonding commonly with other elements. I also read that fluoride is NATURALLY found in water, and is usually removed in the filtering process. The addition of fluoride to our tap water is REfluoridation.. just re-adding it where it already was.

    High concentrations of fluoride can kill? So can Vitamin A and many other essential vitamins and nutrients.

    Anyway, I wouldn't have posted this accept for your most recent blog about pouting children, and I wanted to make it clear WHY I marked this "Disagree".. first disagree I have marked.

    1. Please specify: do you mean that sodium fluoride is naturally found in water? or calcium fluoride? or another molecule with fluorine in it? You expose your ignorance when you do not speak knowledgeably. Fluoride does not exist. Period. If it is called 'fluoride' then it is attached to another element, forming a molecule. What's the rest of that molecule? What are the effects of that compound? Do your homework.

    2. Why does our government have the need to mass medicate it's population? I'm not a chemist but I'll bet that the application of fluoride topically to my teeth is way more effective then swallowing it with H2O. I guess America's water supply is nothing more then mouthwash. If I knew for sure that the American Government had any conscious design of doing me good, I would question their motives. One has to wonder who the real terrorists are!

    3. 50% of the US population have thyroid nodules, but MDs incredulously say they have NO idea how or why these form, but then fatuously claim they know how to treat the problem. Thyroid medication is the 3rd leading prescribed medication in the US.
      Flouride is an iodine antagonist and was used for decades to treat HYPER-thyroid.
      PFPC 's history of fluoride as hyperthyroid medicine
      This is only one example of endocrine problems that fluoride is involved in.

      It also destroys the gut villi , causes bones to weaken, (it accumulates in the body)- and is a likely cause of Autism.

      But no...there is nothing to see here folks.

      Having worked in several research laboratories, while having degrees in hard science and math, was an eye opener. The funding goes to those who can fiddle and scotch tape the data to fit the conclusions the funder is looking for...
      Hence the wealthy interests can pay to get the results they want..as has been pointed out in the past by even the editor of NEJM.

  2. Thanks for your comment, Gary! Disagreeing is great if you offer a reason, such as you have - My comment, as you know, was in respect to those who click 'i disagree' simply as a desperate attempt at graffiti.
    My concern with fluoridation is this - why would any official entity choose to fluoridate the drinking water of the masses instead of simply promoting the use of fluoride in the form of, say, capsules. Why not leave such a decision up to the individual? We allow people to choose to drink themselves to death and smoke themselves to death, so why not give us the choice to ingest fluoride "for the health of our teeth"?
    Also, you are right that Vit. A and many many other supplements/minerals/elements are also lethal in large doses. The reason I made the point that fluoride is deadly in large amounts was simply to illustrate that this is not a "harmless" or benign substance, and therefore its ingestion should be seriously considered.
    It may well turn out that the motives for fluoridation were innocent, but in conjunction with what we now know about why it is added, what its effects are, where it comes from, and who is making the decisions to continue the program, I am very skeptical.
    There is a very serious innate problem with being a "truth seeker". You are, without petition, instantly clustered together with a vast amount of misinformation, paranoid and/or bored people, and those with inclinations to the "fantastic". Unfortunately there is little that can be done about this. Those who's agenda it is to silence the voice of question always run to this fact first. They jump at the opportunity to accuse you of being aligned with ghost-chasers and aluminum foil hatters. But this argument against questioning those in power is the absolute weakest of the weak. It only takes a small amount of contamination to ruin the whole barrel of truth, so to speak. I am cautious who and what I subscribe to, but sometimes mistakes are made - this is the inherent danger in the persuit of truth. It is far more dangerous not to ask the questions because it may look silly to some than to cautiously consider the motives of those who are making the big decisions on your behalf.
    Thanks for your comments...It's always good to hear from somebody who has their own thoughts on important issues.

  3. Hello, found your site on a youtube comment...looks good.

    I have to disagree here. I do believe that the government's use of flouride isn't genuine, I'm undecided as to why it is used. I've read the stories of the mind control experiments, etc.

    But, your main argument point (IMO) is the fact sodium flouride is poison, so all flouride is poison. That's like saying all sodium is poison. In fact, in agreement with the other commentor, look at potassium cyanide. It's comprised simple of three elements: Potassium, Carbon, Nitrogen. Potassium cyanide was used as suicide pills.

    Keep blogging though!

    1. No, she's saying that the compound that is added to drinking water in the U.S. is sodium fluoride. Fluoride does not exist, only fluoride compounds. Remember chemistry class in high school? If it is the element, then it is called 'fluorine.' If it is a compound, then the ending becomes -ide. Some people argue that it is calcium fluoride that is good for teeth, not sodium fluoride. But it's sodium fluoride being added to the drinking water.

      The Potassium cyanide example is a perfect illustration of how common elements can be extremely toxic in certain compounds. Just because it's natural doesn't make it good for you to ingest! Lead would be a good example.

  4. http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec12/ch155/ch155e.html#sec12-ch155-ch155d-254

    Fluoride is listed right here in the Merck Manual. It is not listed on the Periodic Table because Fluorine already is. Fluoride is simply a less reactive Fluorine ion that has acquired an extra electron.

    1. "Fluoride is the anion F−, the reduced form of fluorine when as an ion and when bonded to another element. Inorganic fluorine containing compounds are called fluorides."--from Wikipedia

      Emphasis on COMPOUNDS. Fluoride is not a less reactive form of fluorine. Fluoride is a compound with entirely different properties than fluorine, depending upon what it is bonded to.

  5. I believe that fluoride in drinking water is mainly used for the development of healthy teeth during gestation. There are benefits to topical application and systemic circulation of fluoride after a certain age, but the real importance of fluoride systemically (from drinking water, or other sources) is while teeth are developing and while at a young age. There is limited data on fluoride content in food sources and probably would be very hard to ingest optimal levels of fluoride from natural sources at vital times needed for the development of healthy teeth.

    From: http://www.adha.org/CE_courses/course7/nutritional_factors given .htm) During tooth development, fluoride is incorporated into the pre-eruptive tooth’s mineralized structure, along with calcium and phosphorus to form fluorapatite, a compound more resistant to erosion than hydroxyapatite. After the tooth erupts, fluoride is no longer involved systemically in tooth formation. However, the topical effects of fluoride continue to impart protection against tooth decay by decreasing demineralization when the tooth is exposed to organic acids and by increasing the rate of remineralization following erosion by plaque acids.6 Fluoride in saliva also inter-feres with acid production in the bacterial cells that cause oral plaque. Fluoride can be provided topically to teeth in rinses, dentifrices, gels, varnishes, chewable dietary fluoride supplements, or by fluoridated water... Clearly, proper oral tissue development depends on adequate nutri-tion. For expectant mothers, lactating women, infants and young children, dietary advice provided during these critical development times can have profound implications on the health and well being of a growing child’s teeth and oral cavity.

    There is limited data on the amount of fluoride in foods, here is a list. http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/12354500/Data/Fluoride/F02.pdf

    The Institute of Medicine (IOM, 1997) specified Adequate Intakes (AI) of 0.01 mg/day for infants through 6 months, 0.05 mg/kg/day beyond 6 months of age, and 3 mg/day and 4 mg/day for adult women and men (respectively), to prevent dental caries. Upper limits (UL) of 0.10 mg/kg/day in children less than 8 years and 10 mg/day for those older than 8 years are recommended for prevention of dental fluorosis. Similar levels have been endorsed by the American Dental Association (ADA, 1994) and the American Dietetic Association (ADA, 2000).

    1. For all you conspiracy nuts, this is the correct answer^

      and for some added info -

      Dental caries remain a major public health concern in most industrialized countries, affecting 60–90% of schoolchildren and the vast majority of adults. Water fluoridation prevents cavities in both children and adults, with studies estimating an 18–40% reduction in cavities when water fluoridation is used by children who already have access to toothpaste and other sources of fluoride. Studies suggest that the use of water fluoridation particular in industrilized countries may be unnecessary for caries prevention, because topical fluorides (such as in toothpaste) are widely used and caries has become low.

      For you idiots that think that we're being poisoned -

      Defluoridation is needed when the naturally occurring fluoride level exceeds recommended limits. A 1994 World Health Organization expert committee suggested a level of fluoride from 0.5 to 1.0 mg/L (milligrams per litre), depending on climate. Bottled water typically has unknown fluoride levels, and some domestic water filters remove some or all fluoride.

      IF INDEED you were being poisoned through high levels of flouride (Highly Unlikely), it would come from bottled water.

    2. I like the comments and the topics.

      Would you please add more information on this Fluoride research

  6. Take a look at who owns the fluoride companies surprise surprise its the Rothschild family, scary ass shit.

  7. I have spoken with many doctors/dentists/chemists etc.on this issue on fluorides.FLUORIDE IS FLUORIDE IS FLUORIDE.Look at the people in India on what they call naturally occurring fluoride.I speak with Daniel Stockin frequently about fluoride.It is hard to END FLUORIDE because it is not a nutrient or mineral.It is a Poison

  8. I think the biggest thing about the whole argument is still "why?" Regardless of the amount or how much of one substance is needed to kill or harm someone...why can't the individual make the choice to use it? We are left with no alternative if we want to avoid the federal fluoridated water. Sure, I realize I could get the permits, hire an engineer and dig my own well, then build my own filtration system if I wanted my own "natural" water.

    I think it's just a bit odd that it's being done and has been done without the public's opinion or interest. Was there ever a piece of legislation in which the people were allowed to say "Hey, I think this sounds like a pretty good plan, lets do it!" From what I can see and have read, no it wasn't. The fact that the government has and still is making these types of non-moral decisions about our lives speaks volumes to the extent of their control and the willingness of the masses to continue to let the powers at be, do exactly whatever they want, to whom ever they want.

  9. OH MY GOD , Do some of you people really think that the government gives a sh!t about the health of your teeth?!?!?!???!!! Then you've got copy/pasting from government agency websites like were going to find the truth there ? I am all about free speech but people have to realize that down playing something you obviously know nothing about is poison in it's own right . Adding flouride to water obviously cost money to do yet when have you ever known the government to do something truly good & not boast about it ? That fact alone should make you question this .

    1. Good answer Anonymous! I'm with you 100% on this.

  10. Just for education's sake,
    'Fluoride' is actually an ion formed when 'fluorine' gains 1 electron, making it stable and with a -1 charge. It can then form bonds with other ions, such as sodium, which has a +1 charge. The resulting substance is Sodium Fluoride, NaF.
    Ionic substances, such as this, are highly soluble. This means that when you add it to something like water, it will dissolve very easily. It is no longer NaF, but a collection of Na+ and F- ions in the water. This allows the fluoride ions to bond with other substances in your plaque acid and form a stronger tooth enamel.

  11. The government doesn't care about your teeth. It's all about control.

  12. Everything is poisonous in high enough doses. But i aggree the FACT we didnt have a choice in the matter is scary, the FACT of who owns these companies is downright scary. Private water for me and my family from now on.

  13. I wanted to thank you for this post. I have been researching ways to decalcify and undo some of the damage 47 years of toxins have done to my body. I am especially interested in cleansing my pineal gland. This has turned into quite a rabbit hole that just keeps getting deeper and deeper, with the most concerning revelation that the government is not concerned with protecting me. It's actually beginning to look the opposite.
    I am not an expert in any of these fields, and I do not deny that most of my information has come directly from blog posts and You Tube videos, but I have found and heard several contradictions to what Anonymous posted on April 26, 2010. Dr. David Kennedy, DDS has written a book, and also appears in an interview where he states that the ingestion of fluoride in children CAUSES Dental Fluorosis. I would have to assume in gestation, a human is still ingesting whatever the mother consumes. The fluoride molecule poisons the enzymes that make the teeth, resulting in porous enamel which picks up stains and is easier to break. He also goes on to list a myriad of other problems caused by long term build up of fluoride in the system, including arthritis & heart disease due to the calcification of tissues over time. He also states that fluoride in no way is beneficial to oral health or prevents tooth decay.
    I just want to be clear that I did not make this up myself. I can not vouch for the validity of this information, but the man is a DDS, which gives me some confidence in what he is saying, where as the government lies to us and covers up the truth on a daily basis.

  14. hahahahahahaha foolish humans. You will never unlock the truths, so I will tell you. Your so to say government is slowly being taken over by a group of people with immense amounts of money. Your candidates whether republican or democrat will never change. they will be the exact same evil donning a different mask. Your news is censored to control what the elite
    want you to believe. How you ask. ^ major corporations control all the news. What will lose those corporations money will not be posted. what will gain those corporations money will not be posted( ex. Monsanto pays them to never show stories of the extreme dangers of GMOs). Fluoride is in our water to dumb down the brain. To make us stupider so to say. Bills are consistently being proposed that attempt to give corporations and government censorship over the Internet as the Internet is the last place you humans have to access the dirty information about corruption the elite don't want you to know. Your food is tainted with immense amounts of toxic substances from mercury to hormone mimicking chemicals to downright foreign foods in the form of GMOs. Avoid corporate control. Eat grass raised beef forest killed poultry and only eat organic vegetables locally. Buy private water or develop extreme filters that can filter water 99.99 percent. After doing all of this, my memory got immensely more sophisticated, my body always feels light as air, and I haven't had one single sickness not even a sniffle in the last 5 years. I can run almost 5 miles straight and Im mostly sedentary. Dont believe any of this, that fine, the truth is best experienced lived.

  15. I had been very ill with fibromyalgia, muscle and joint pain, sever laethargy;, memory fog and numerous other conditions. when I moved to an area with fresh rain water, I began to get better. I put it down to change in weather, less stress and other things, but now I believe that the flouride water was killing me. I am able to do things I hadnt done for years such as simply walk without severe pain. I am more alert, not as tired and feeling so so much more well. I have recently stopped using fluoride toothpaste and will now start concentrating on growing my own meat, eggs and veggies. So thanks for the info, i believe it has made a big difference to me and my daughter aged 35 is still in the flurodated water area and is becoming very ill as I was. Hmmmmmm food for thought.

  16. question.....if water is boiled does it rid the flouride

    1. No. It actually becomes further concentrated due to water loss through evaporation during the boiling process. Distilling water through boiling does, however, lessen the concentration of fluoride, but is a more complication purification process.

  17. This is ridiculous. Water fluoridation is a public health scheme, if you wish to understand the reasoning behind it you must first understand this concept. Also, before making judgement based on biased, regurgitated articles try exploring and finding your own evidence. There is plenty of freely available, scientifically viable and reliable sources on the internet. Water fluoridation is present throughout the world, this is because the evidence supports it's application. Can you honestly say that the underlying reasoning for water fluoridation is "mind control"?

  18. Plan and simple our Fcken Government is purposely killing us!!

    Why not just Bomb us and Kill us all if you can't stand us!

    Once sickened you seek a Doctor who gives you more poisonous Drugs to finish you off!!

    People we need to overthrow our Government for allowing this!!

  19. so it seems brushing you're teeth just wasnt enough fluoride for us peasants the government decides to help us out and feeds it to us by water supply !? Gee lets take a minute to thank the Gov

    you morons will believe anything !

    you don't have to be intelligent, its common sense !

    its a scary world but the people that run it are even scarier.

  20. Hmmm, so having read the above posts, I can see that I am the first Brit to post..... Aha, the Limey from the land of liberty? Ah, fek no. Unfortunately our government has just decided to begin the process of total fluoridation of our water. Why?

    Well, it would appear that about 10% of us Brits have artificially fluoridated water, just in the areas that have specific dental problems. (typically the less affluent areas). So if the purpose is purely for medical benefit, then that could be classed as acceptable (although without asking people it does seem a bit out of line)

    So, why is it now on the cards to be rolled out across the country, so other than people with bore-holes, everyone gets it, even in areas that traditionally have had no endemic dental problems.

    That, to me, says that there is another reason for the addition of fluorine compounds to our water. I am a reasonably intelligent chap, and although I do love a good conspiracy, I typically look at them as a discussion point. I love long rambling conversations and also enjoy arguing both sides of the story as a mental exercise. I like to follow facts and do not consider myself a member of TTFHS (The Tin Foil Hat Society). But there is a fundamental problem when populations are exposed to chemicals without their consent. Unless you can afford £1.00 per 500ml of water, you have no choice but to take your medicine.

    My area of the UK, Yorkshire has beautiful water quality, and when companies ring up my office offering water coolers, I say "Sorry, but I have Yorkshire water from the tap" they usually say something about my being lucky, apologise for wasting my time and hang up.... so good water, good dental statistics in the area...... Why add 'stuff'?

    I am not entirely convinced that there is a mind control agenda....... yet. But there must be some reason...........

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  22. 1more thing everyone to wrap this up... take the closest water bottle near you.. look at whats in it, now spin the bottle to the opposite side of that in very fine writing youll see 0.1 of ion fluoride. Thank you

  23. Most of the people I meet and some I know very well have this strange type of thinking in Canada: Unless its on the main stream news any ideas than condradict the ideas of the main stream news is insane and wrong. Why or what has caused the population to lose its critical thinking skills and or caused the population to beleave everything a TV, internet or radio main stream media has told them is over my head. Truth is I used to be the same way until I traveled the path less traveled when traveling and worked for the government. Realizing the media lies every night when I seen with my own eyes and directly worked on files/events they the media are talking about.

    The point is the powerful are powerful and the only way to win is use there own arguments that have already been propagaded.

    Thus: "Freedom of Choice"